Posted by Silent Slob at green12.eecs.ukans.edu on December 01, 1999 at 12:45:08:
In Reply to: *spoiler* Answers re: Angels and Wisconsin! posted by Bethany27 on December 01, 1999 at 11:01:38:
Wow, quotes from an early draft in the script....most of which is very different from the movie. This proves nothing. Sure I think the Wisconsin thing is a funny line, but is it important enough to use it to profess that you are the clever guy who discovered this is kind of rediculous...any person with a 2400 modem could read the script and make these quotes. comeon people...this is just a movie...no controversy, not a lot of continuity errors and the budget wasn't very high so drop these stupid threads about "will they be real humans?", "will they go to heaven" and shit...its getting old.
: Hey guys! Ok... plagued by this controversy I went back and read the screenplay last night and found two parts that should help shed a little light on these burning questions!
: RE: WILL THEY BE REAL HUMANS?
: I'm not 100% sure but it sounds like Smith was leaning this way. That's what I inferred from the following exchange between Loki and Bartleby:
: BARTLEBY (READING THE ARTICLE)
: "The re-dedication of St. Michael's Church ... is the kickoff of a new campaign that seeks to bring the Catholic church back into the mainstream. With a papal sanction, the archway entrance to the centuryold, Jersey shore house of worship will serve as a passageway of plenary indulgence, which - according to Catholic beliefs - offers all who pass throuh it's arches a morally clean slate". You still don't get it, do you?
: LOKI
: No, I don't get it. Are we leaving now?
: BARTLEBY
: If you walk through the church's front door on the day of the re-dedication ceremony, your soul is wiped clean of any and all existing sin, moreso than the sacrament of penance could ever offer. It's a plenary indulgence, man!
: There's some more exchanges... blah blah blah...
: LOKI
: So you're saying you and I can walk through this doorway and go back home?
: BARTLEBY
: No - by pasing through the doors, our sins are forgiven. Then all we have to do is die....
: BARTLEBY
: ... if we cut off our wings and transubstantiate to complete human form then we become mortal. And if we die with clean souls, there's no way to keep us out. They have to let us in.
:
: So... "complete human form" and "mortal" suggest that they do infact become humans. I really think the key here is that they do not WANT to say that they were wrong when they feel like the victims. They believe what they did was RIGHT... that's why they don't want to/cannot simply confess, even IF they are 100% humans. :)
: NEXT QUESTION: HOW DID THEY LEAVE WISCONSIN SO EASILY?
: Well the script doesn't exactly give a reason... it just sort of suggests that they never really had to stay there - they were just too scared to try to leave. Read on, folks - this is the scene on the bus:
:
: LOKI
: All this time we've been down here, why didn't we ever leave the Cheese?
: BARTELBY
: He told us to stay where he put us. We feared worse punishment if we disobeyed Him again.
: LOKI
: Where were we afraid he'd send us?
: BARTLEBY
: New Jersey.
: LOKI
: Now that, my friend, is irony.
:
: So... there you go everyone! Some semi-answers for us!
: xo Bethany