Posted by MickCollins. at wkstn4-85.lxr.georgetown.edu on April 03, 2000 at 17:18:29:
In Reply to: Silent Bob IS Mary.. posted by Darth Dobbin on April 03, 2000 at 15:18:26:
"Kevin, what in God's name!"
"It said the bras were for Angels, and I have been in a theological mood lately. But the thong chaffs heavy. That Victoria's secret is that she's a lying cunt, my bust does'nt look bigger."
: Let us not forget the shot that sent me into hystrical gales of well nigh embarassing laughter.. When Bethany is mortally wounded, Silent Bob cradls her in an echoing of the "Pieta" gesture. Same composition, same pose, same side wound, same mournful look.::::::::
Not the same pose. And there are a bunch of "Pieta"s, I'm assuming you mean Michelangelo's. Mary is sitting and craddling Jesus, Bob was standing and kneeled,If I remember corr-ectly. Bethany has a side wound, but she lacks the everything else that Jesus was sporting,soft tissue injuries and whatnot. I think it shows how Bethany was a martyr,not a Christ figure. Bethany died because of the Golgothan through an act of violence ordered by Azrael, Jesus was set-up and had the pleasure of suffering. Bethany was a martyr,not a Christ figure. She still had problems believing,if you remember, and if Jesus sported doubts, he had enough time from when he was told the warrant was out that he could have booked.
:: This enforces the role of Bethany as the playing the Christ role.. And, for that moment, has everybody's favorite Lunchbox playing proxy to the Mary. :::::::
Lunchox and Mewes were more like the lepers/hookers/tax collectors..etc ,the sinner who sided with the righteous side because they treated Bob and Jay like a people and not degenrates.
: I must admit that I view all these religious cross-continuity/theme/story arcs with the same amount of interest that I would give to a good ol' fashioned DC comics debate as to the nature of the Crisis on Infinite Earths; Which is to say that I think it is sometimes fun to talk about,and I'm interested in the subject material, but ultimately I find both avenues to be geeky exercises of mental agility more than any exploration of "deeper truth." :::::::
Yup. Like the flick says, everyone's beliefs are their own.
: But if such stuff floats your boat, anyone, check out a book,available on amazon, called THE TEMPLAR REVALATION, which, among other things, discusses the sect of the Priory of Sion, who believed that John was the Redeemer, and Jesus a usurper-figure/fiction.. Among some of the books claims are that Leonardo Da Vinci faked the shroud of turin, and included "john-based" heresy clues as jabs to the catholic church. A fun book, regardless of how much you do or don't believe. ::::::::
I've seen bunches of those books. The Templars started as a good idea(Knights to escort people from port towns to Jerusalem because of unscrupulus types hanging around), and the Templars took out the Assassins guild,which Muslims and Christians both appreciated. But,like all good ideas, money corrupted them and the smack was laid down by Philip of France. The Templars have all these mysteries about them, and none of them were true. The reality is too boring. They basically lived as Priests(no sex,poverty,in shacks,prayed lots)who had the added dimension of being allowed to kill sinners. There are groovy stories about Templars vs. The Assassins where a captured Assassin said "We will kill the Priests,we will kill the Kings of Europe,we will kill the Pope,and then we will kill your Masters". Everyone thought the Templars were designed in a Mason-esque community with a Master Templar and levels of Knights. A Knight replied something like "Kill our leader? The Romans did that and he came back 3 days later. As long as he's on our side, I fear you like I fear the clap.".
The Assassins worked by killing the leader of a group they opposed and then picking off the rest of the powerful types in the chaos that followed. When the Assassins realized there was no main Templar leader,they knew they had a problem. All these mysteries and bullshit stories popped up among Europeans about the Templars(They were like a Masons guild, they were all gay(Really,one source said the initiation rights included giving the "Master Templar" and he is council blowjobs. Another was that you were tied to a cross backwards and the local Templars got to sheath their manswords in your sphincter. Most of these stories came out of Germany though, so that explains a whole lot.), they were in league with the Assassins, they were really Satanists etc..). Sad fact is that they just got too big for their own britches,like most Monk Orders do. Except the Jesuits. Jesuits kick ass. And so do the Knights of Malta. They were always strong and still never lost love for the streets,yo. I also read that some people believe the Order was never eradicated by Philip of France and they they are around today, and famous Catholics(Liam Neeson,Mel Gibson,various Rich guys) make the order up now and they basically run the CC. And they also have a vault in Scotland that has every Holy relic you can think of(The True Cross,The Ark of the Covenant,The Holy Grail, the Spear of Destiny, Staff of St.Patrick, sword of St.Peter, etc...etc..). I also heard a story that Jesus knocked up Mary Magdalene before he was crucified, she took a slow boat to France, where God told her the Gauls would protect her.(Story loses cred there, Gauls were still barbarians,Celts were more civilized but too far north to hit with a boat on the mediteranian.) So she went, had Jesus Jr. and then God picked him a bride, and on and on until around 1100-1200 or so when Jesus's great(Ad Nauseum)grandson decided it was time to take back his Greatx28 Grandpappy's throne. He issued a challenge to the CC that he was the rightfull heir to God's Kingdom and he wants the Pope to move out and he will move in and set the Kingdom in motion. The Pope said,in no uncertain words, "You are a fucking liar. Go shit seaweed, ya french fuck". This is where the whole Pope/Anti-Pope French problem stems from. Jesus Jr. says he will meet the Pope in battle(very Jesus like,starting wars.Fucking French) and Jesus Jr. Had a whole bunch of guys on his side who believed what he said or just wanted to take out the CC(I can't remember the exact list, but It was like German Princes,the King of England,Swiss nobles,Some Middle-Eastern Mercenaries,Huns,assorted Barbarians and some Italian nobles on Jesus Jr's side. The CC had detachments from the rest of the German Princes, Italian Nobles, Assorted Barbarians,Scots and Irish, what would be the Spanish,Northern Africa and a bunch of others.) They met in a valley in Germany(fucking Germany is always involved when weird shit goes down) and had a huge throwdown. Jesus Jr. led his troops into the final conflict after days of fighting and got whacked by some Barbarians. When he hit the turf minus his head, his army started to scatter and the Christian army charged them and put them down like diseased dogs. They then buried them in a mass grave and covered their tracks,so as to not make a Martyr out of the bullshit artist. JJ Jrs diehards now blamed the CC for killing Jesus's descendant and ruining everyone's chance at heaven,so they went underground and started trying to do shit to discredit the Church.(Bad Popes,encouraging the reformation,Inquistions etc.). Lotsa funky stuff out there.
-Story time!