The long-awaited definitive answers

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: : **************** : : Hey there Yojimbo, : : I thought these may be problems when Dogma first came out and thought little of it,now I'm : : seeing these problems keep popping up. Stop me if I'm wrong. The events that transpire in : : Dogma are,like Metatron says,a test for Bethany. So, the universe was never in any danger. God : : is omnipotent. If Bartleby managed to outfox the good guys, it would just have God stop it and hit : : reset,Bethany goes back to sad abortion worker and maybe he gives her pipes a cleaning anyway : : and then he tries to enlighten the daughter/son or whatever. Or maybe he tries again with Bethany. : : Either way, if God is omnipotent,as a God needs to be, it would be impossible to trap it in the : : body of some old man. That was just part of the test,the Old man thing. If the universe was really : : in danger,then God was not omnipotent nor omniscient and,therefore,not God. : Who the fuck knows? Who the fuck cares? We're all just winging it in the end. Make something good up to sort it all out. That's what the happiest "religious" nuts do. : : The second problem comes with the personification of God. It has nothing to do with Alanis. It : : has to do with God taking the form of anyone. Jesus was man/God,but he was that for a reason. : : Like Bethany,he had a test that he passed and a mission to accomplish. God,to be God,would : : have to be like he is presented in the Old Testament, a force/presence that the human mind can't : : comprehend,it has to be simplified. But I find simplifying God in a human form just rehashes the : : same "Do you really think some Old Man in the sky created life and will judge your actions?" : : argument given by even the dumbest of atheists. By making God a person,you play right into their : : bullshit and the worst aspects of Evangelical Christendom. I think there is a reason that,when God : : appears to Moses, he does so in simple ways like just a disembodied voice or a flaming bush.(the : : mere mention of flaming bush has probably peaked the interest of B.Buster) God in the Old : : Testament is like the owner of the Apartment who has seen his tenants misbehaving so he has to : : lay down the basic laws. To do so, he has to make an appearence and show them he is not just a : : Lenny McClean-esque Bouncer from Beyond,he has to show he is Wholly Other. Not of this : : Earth or Universe. G lives outside its laws and timeline, it is something that can't be described in : : its pure form. So it has to become a pillar of Fire to show the Hebrews that whats on their side : : is more powerfull and deep than the Egyptians and their stupid Cat-gods. Jesus comes along and : : he is divine/human for a reason. He is there to show the nobility of Man. We no longer need the : : Landlord to show up and turn the asshole in 3B who beats his wife into stone, it has been : : done,you should see this example and know better. It is now up to you. That is also why I think : : the Persians were able to come in and destroy the Israli Empire and do the Disapora thing, the : : Israeli had still not learned the lesson and God kept having to send down Prophets to do wacky : : shit to show them God is more than any lame ass Baal mountain god. Jesus was the rabble-rouser : : who said that the law and the spirit are in you,not on a tablet,so stop being jerkoff morons. By : : making God a person, I thought you originally did this to show how God is not limited by human : : gender issues of either men or women.(I.E. most people call god HE and stuff,look God can be a : : chick,too). But it seems people have grasped on to the Man on the Cloud aspect and that they : : missed the point. Just wondering what your thoughts on this are. : Flaming bush, huh? I've always liked redheads (there must be a hold-out mick gene governing my gonads). Now there's something I could honestly worship! Anyway, all this "pillar of fire" stuff is nonsense, Mick. God as Man or God as something "Not of this Earth or Universe," it's all the same bullshit concocted by long-forgotten fools trying to get one over on the next guy. Here's a challenge for everyone: live your life as if it weren't already figured out for you by a bunch of guys who had a way with words. Have visions in the Grand Union, talk to God in a cloud following you across the parking lot of K-Mart, envision God taking the form of an idiot on your bus who won't stop smiling to himself for no reason at all. If this is the sort of thing that you need to make life interesting, by all means, knock yourself out. : : Finally, Why would Bartleby even want to fuck with God,knowing that God was omnipotent and would stop him at any time? Azrael would want to Universe to end : : because Hell sucked. Loki was kind of slow and thought he could convince God to give him his job back by showing he was sorry and trying to do things he thought God : : would like. Bartleby is the wild card. He would know that,this is assuming the events were not just a test, God could stop him at any point. Even if he got in the Church. : : So he was pissing in the wind and seemed smart enough to know it. So, was the "We're going home Loki" stuff all bullshit because he was too much of a pussy to walk : : into the scythe himself? He dragged Loki into his beef with God that got them tossed,so he has shown through that and, through his arrogance at not being sorry for : : anything he did that he was a coward. So was Bartleby,like Azrael, just looking to be erased from existence? And that is why he says "Thank You" to God, he knows he : : can't bullshit the ultimate lie detector so when he says "Sorry",its half assed. When he realizes whats going down,he says "Thank You", boom,his head goes and he gets : : erased. Make sense? : Damn it, Mick, you lost me on this one. I'll go out on a limb and stick with my earlier answers. It's all bullshit, make something up that makes "sense" to you and be happy. That would be the "religious" thing to do. : b. buster

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