Posted by Kevin at adsl-64-167-89-22.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net on May 22, 2002 at 12:36:37:
In Reply to: Kevin - Why You Hate Women posted by Jeweliet on May 22, 2002 at 09:23:50:
: To explain why someone like Jennifer Lopez does so much
damage to the world, to a man who is probably attracted to her, is an
uphill battle. Every day women wake up and have to face the
expectations of men who have just watched an ass-shaking video of
JLo in her underwear, teasingly looking at the camera. I had thought
you would be the first person to be against objectifying women
because you, yourself, have been stereotyped by your looks (as I
most certainly have as well).
Okay, so by that token, I shouldn't cast Affleck in the movies, because
he's an impossibly good looking standard that the rest of us Omega
males can never live up to. He'll create expectations in the distaff
audience that we who can't replicate his charm, his smile, his tight
butt will suffer in comparison to.
I mean, it goes both ways.
: The only way I know how to explain sexism to men is to point at their
daughters (although it hasn't worked on my dad yet). Someday, some
man will watch an old Jennifer Lopez video, see her shimmy in hip
huggers that show half of her ass, then they'll take a gander at Harley
Quinn and she'll be embarrassed and ashamed as are millions of
women every day because they probably don't look like JLo.
Are you crazed? Look who you're talking to. I've worked side-by-side
- shit, even shared the screen - with incredibly good looking men,
and I am no looker. But do I give a shit about the millions of women
who'd step on their mothers' necks to suck Matty Damon's cock into
oblivion? No. I only give a shit about the one woman who'd rather
see my fat-ass in the buff than Ben's well-developed one (at least,
that's what she says).
Don't sweat the throbbing cocks who'd rather fantasize about a
person they can never have than pursue flesh-and-blood you. Sweat
the ones who see the catch that YOU are. No one else is worth your
attention anyway.
: And you can blame the people giving her money (my dad's classic
response: "hey, she [JLo/Britney/whomever] is just making money").
But what if someone stood up and actually DIDN'T give the job to the
woman in the skin tight clothes? Who cares if she can act- what she
represents to young girls (like Harley Quinn) is much more important
on our society right now. Maybe Harley will grow up and paint on
some skin tight pants like JLo someday too because she saw it in a
movie/music video/commercial just like yours.
And if she does, that's her business. When she's eighteen, she can
do as she pleases.
: I had seen so much equality from you that it kind of killed me a little
to see that you might cast Lopez. And it brought the only real hero I'd
ever had come crashing down.
If that's the case, and you're having such a hard time with the casting
of a person in a movie you know very little to nothing about... then I
was never really your hero to begin with.
: I never thought I would not see something you produced but I'm
afraid that a movie with JLo is such an insult on the female
population, that I couldn't contribute to it and I could not see it.
It's cool. If you feel that passionately about it, I understand.
: I'm sure by now you're just writing me off as some disgrunted
feminist and I'm only one person so who cares? But you were the
only one who saw how it really is (in Hollywood, hell, in the world) so I
don't understand how you can't see this.
I don't get it: so Joey wasn't beautiful and sexy? Neither was
Shannon Elizabeth? Or Eliza? Or Ali? Or my wife? Or Doherty? Or
Claire? The list goes on and on.
: I, as a woman who never had a female role model, looked up to you
because you could say things and comic-reading boys would listen.
And now to see that you're using that voice to promote sexism to a
generation that will grow up to harrass your own daughter has
broken my heart.
This isn't a tempest in a tea-pot; this is the Rapture in a tea-pot. You
must chill. Nobody's kid is going to get harassed over this flick.
Trust me.
: Thank you for showing me that there are no completely good people
in the world (and that equality is only right some of the time).
And thank you for reminding me why I don't visit this board as much
as I'd like.