Posted by ScreamingMonkeys at 4.23.160.66 on June 18, 2002 at 12:26:41:
In Reply to: Hmmm... posted by Isis on June 18, 2002 at 11:48:37:
: Hey -- already in the U.S. in some places, you can't live with your lover if you're gay, you can't fuck them, and you damn sure can't get married. Legality is important.
When we talk about law rights are very important. When I am sexually active I don't think of it in terms of my rights. When I buy a gun I do think in terms of my rights.
: Bullcrap. A nine year old Vietnamese girl with her body on fire because she's been napalmed isn't in pain because she's imagining it. Violence is defined by the experience of the victim, yes, but that doesn't mean it's not an objective thing. And spanking someone isn't necessarily violence -- violence is an unwanted act of harm.
I think bullcrap was a harsh word to use but effective at getting my attention. Violence is objective yes but it's not defined as "unwanted harm". Boxing is considered violent by most( not me) and it is wanted harm, not unwanted. Self mutilation is wanted harm but seem by some it is violent.
You got me going. I haven't had a good chat like this for awhile.