Posted by Susannah at user-38lder0.dialup.mindspring.com on May 14, 2003 at 18:05:36:
In Reply to: Susannah, from the last board posted by sean on May 14, 2003 at 17:54:53:
: : : No, actually, trolls go to specific sites/newsgroups and repeatedly (until banned) post things that they know will agitate people. A flame war implies that both sides are contributing flames; a troll will post one thing and not repsond to the responses, unless it's to post something saying exactly the same thing again without responding to what's said to the troll.
: : >> Since neither defintion applies, the point's moot.
: That's not really your call to make; it's up to the people who are *calling* you a troll for doing the above. Saying, "No'm'not" isn't really a defense.
: : : Repeatedly E-mailing Ming after you've been told 'no', especially told 'no' by the person who pays for the board, is a form of whining, yes.
: : >> Again with the misinterpretation of the stalking Ming comment. Owned by the reading of the thread, sir.
: That's not a misinterpretation. You said you were E-mailing him frequently, almost (but not quite) once a day. *You're* the only person who's used the word 'stalker' or 'stalk' or 'stalking'. At least, as far as I've seen, I may be wrong on that.
: : : You're right about one thing. Good lemmings don't chase windmills.
: : >> And purist filmmakers don't use video taps.
: Again with the non sequitur points.
: : : So she even said, if that's your belief, then go tell it to anybody who wants to listen. But repeatedly posting it here (to rile people up, as you put it) will accomplish very little. (or, at least, very little positive.)
: : >> Yet another owned moment, as I neither started this thread nor have I seemingly attached a URL to my dev site to every single one of my posts, unlike many of the regs I see. The fight was initiated by those who found it appropriate to get between two technogeeks talking shop. My inability to ignore even the most minor of challenges is an acknowledged character fault.
: No, the fight was initiated when you responded to Kevin saying, "I like the board the way it is," with "You're a fucking dinosaur, grandpa." Para-phrased, but my point is, you're continuting to lobby something that most people don't want and then complaining when people ask you to stop and then saying you're not a whiner when you're called one.
: If you actually meant what you've been saying, you'd at least wait until the board was up to start E-mailed Ming and telling us all about how much better it is.
: : Christ Almighty, I don't know what the fucking fuss is about. I'm enjoying building the thing - it serves a purpose that this board doesn't - and I've offered it as an alternative to the status quo. It's not like I'm destoying Mecca, people. It's just yet another site on the Net.
: If I told you that most of the "fucking fuss" was your arrogant attitude about the whole thing, would it make this any better? 'Cause it's pretty much the idea that you showed up here and immediately began complaining about the format, so much so that you felt the need to make sure everybody was repeatedly made aware of your own new, off-shoot board, which wasn't even made yet, and how much better it was because it was so advanced and complicated that you'd need a seperate page to explain to you how to use it for the first week unless you're absolutely up-to-date on all the latest Web board trends and technology.
: : Emoticons would make these discussions so much easier, as they would virtually eliminate the need to intimate sarcasm from words alone...
: When you say things like that, you don't sound like the arrogant, all-knowing board person you try to pass yourself off as. You sound more like somebody who hasn't been on many boards. 'Cause there are plenty of us who have figured out how to inflect sarcasm on these boards.
: : : Isn't it far more lemming-like to use new technology simply because there is new technology to use?
: : It is a matter of evolution. New technology = new uses = new means with which to communicate.
: Oh, I had no idea that a webboard was a new means with which to communicate over and above a webboard.
: : You think anyone would have embraced the idea of an electronic "fan club" such as this before the "information superhighway" became a household word back in '94?
: So you're saying that your new webboard is as big a jump over this webboard as no Internet jumping to Internet was? Somehow, that just seems unrealistic.
: : This board is somewhere in the Paleolithic period of the evolutionary lifecycle. Suggesting better ways to utilize it, to everyone's advantage, is merely human nature.
: As is being rejected. Now, human nature will take you to the point where you obsess over your rejection; maybe you should try to overcome that, lest you go crazy.
: : Think ape with bone tool in front of monolith.
: Um, I don't think you understand the point of that scene if you're using it as this example.
: : : That website looks really good and all, but I certainly don't think "simple" is the word for it.
: : : More like "incredibly complicated and unneccessarily convoluted".
: : Always play to your audience. If you're not between 25 and 45, making over $50K a year, obsessed with performance or aesthetic modifications to your Japanese bullet, Net-savvy with experience on other related Acura forums, you're not that audience.
: Actually, I was referring specifically to the layout of the board, not the information on it, but might I suggest, in future, that using examples which are extremely esoteric and difficult to navigate might not be the best way to prove your point about how simple those boards are to use?