Er, make that the Anti-Hooper. 'Scuse me. NT


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Posted by Seamus at ascend2-30.vf.pond.com on November 16, 1999 at 21:03:14:

In Reply to: Hooper X, ladies and gents, give him a hand! NT posted by Seamus on November 16, 1999 at 20:54:58:

: : Did anyone else perceive strong messages about racism, and to a
: : lesser extent, feminism, violence, and religion in this movie? The
: : majority of it seemed to be about the current emasculation of the white
: : man due to Christianity and the perpetuation of racists attitudes.
: : Namely the stereotypes that black men are somehow more manly than white
: : men and that they have bigger penises. Many many jokes were made to
: : this effect which went well beyond the realm of bad taste. There is
: : even a scene where fellatio between Bethany (Linda Fiorentino) and the
: : 13th apostle (Chris Rock) is implied. It is definitely significant that
: : the angels are without sexual organs or anuses. They are white men
: : castrated by the religion of Christianity, unable to properly express
: : either hetero or even homosexuality. Jay and Silent Bob are seen to
: : make a ploy to become part of the black gang after the striper scene,
: : which by the way also exemplified a way too prevalent theme in
: : pornography resultant of racist attitudes. Jay and Silent Bob represent
: : the young white men of today, it's idol rockstar/rappers, Korn, Limp
: : Bizkit, and a host of other knock-offs, adorned in their Addidas
: : uniforms, sporting their Christian crucifixes, striving to be
: : assimilated into the particular cult of black ethnicity typified by most
: : rappers with their endless macho posturing, espousement of drug
: : addiction and violence, and of course the inherent racist attitudes
: : which must keep such a cult alive. In their self-loathing they try to
: : become more "black" by weak-minded conformity and the most abject
: : hypocrisy.
: : When Bartleby (Ben Affleck) is done with his killing spree at the
: : very end, he makes a comment about what a great release it was after
: : thousands of years of repression, and "if they only let us masturbate."
: : This is a very poignant comment upon how things like WWF and socially
: : glorified violence are merely a substitute for eroticism, providing a
: : cheap sexual thrill, and often an outlet for homosexual urges. It was
: : interesting how very few, if any people in the movie theater laughed at
: : that, but they sure thought all those black men with big penises jokes
: : were hilarious. Fucking idiots.
: : Almost all of the fools I've seen review it have said it didn't
: : criticize the Catholic Church. They are blind. This film was very
: : Satanic and had many anti Christian messages to it. The beginning
: : dialogue between Loki (Matt Damon) and the nun was quite good. I think
: : that it is very probable that Kevin Smith was familiar with the works of
: : Anton LaVey when he wrote this movie. Satan fails to succeed in his
: : rebellion because he is tied to God and Christian dogma. The Satanism
: : of LaVey does succeed because the idea of God is done away with
: : completely, moreover Satan is not actually believed in, but used as a
: : symbol of the individual as opposed to the mass or as representative of
: : the balancing force in nature. Much of the terminology used, the names
: : of the angels especially, showed a significant knowledge of Kabbalistic,
: : mythological, and occult ideas.
: : There is also a feminist message as far as all the comments of Jay and Silent Bob are concerned. I think this really came out in the end
: : with the appearance of Alanis as the female God and the emphasis upon
: : virgin birth. This I feel was intended to bring to mind the past pagan
: : age wherein the female was exalted because of the mystery surrounding
: : childbirth when the role of the man in the process was not known. Jay's
: : pussy licking joke at the end was typical of the type of stereotyping of
: : all women as having lesbian tendencies, women are just very different
: : emotionally as well as in other ways and they are not all lesbians.

: : Am I close on any of this Kevin?

: : - Matt




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