Posted by the new guy at spider-to047.proxy.aol.com on November 27, 1999 at 16:40:33:
In Reply to: Lutheran Theology is not applicable in this case posted by Nightbreed on November 26, 1999 at 17:45:15:
: Actually, according to the movie, Loki's defiance was the reason for his exile. It is suggested in the movie that because God's love for Loki was the reason he was never replaced. Not because he was made obsolete.
I'm not saying Loki was kicked out because he was obsolete. Loki was kicked out before Jesus was sent, and with Jesus's death, there was no need for a Angel of Death.
: If the death of Jesus were like a broom that swept away all Sin, then why do people kill? Why do people steal?
Jesus didn't "sweep" away sin. We are ALL sinners...Jesus just allowed us to be saved from ourselves. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't recognize the grace of God.
:It is the desire of the Catholic to repent and be absolved of those sins.
God's Grace was given to us at baptism (if you've been baptized), we can't choose to have God's grace..."our works won't save us" (Priest don't absolve one's sins, they just let you know that God has promised eternal life to the faithful)...
: Since this movie is about Catholicism, and Catholic dogma, you have to use the Catholic Church as the base of reference. Plenary Indulgence grants the Papacy the right to make laws on earth that will be honored in heaven. In this case, the Church used its ability to forgive sins to all who walked through the church. It was an automatic thing, walk in, you're forgiven. However, since Bartleby and Loki neither walked into the church, nor was it blatently obvious that God forgave them. There is no reasonalble proof to assume that they were granted admittance past the pearly gates.
Lutheranism and Catholicism are very closely related. I'm well aware of the ins-and-outs of Catholic Dogma...and the basic belief system for ALL Christian denominations is the same, it's the practice of said beliefs that's different.
Christianity is based on ONE thing: Christ died for our sins.
Bartleby was human...Bartleby was repentent in the last scene...Bartleby would have been offered God's grace, just as every other human has received grace through Christ's death.
Therefore, I'm confident he was accepted into Heaven.
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---the new guy---