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Posted by Mang the Merciful at 25752.w1.dsl.vcn.com on March 01, 2002 at 01:15:46:

In Reply to: What's a harbinger? -NT- posted by JonAskew on March 01, 2002 at 01:10:01:

: : no one will even care about. but i will blast off on anyway, and
: probably for much longer than anyone here will read. or at least like
: my students do - skim....

: : We all here love Kevin's work. In fact, he could show us some avant
: garde bullshit of him and Walt eating Diggem Smacks for three
: minutes and a lot or people here would call him a "geniusly
: postmodern" film..maker

: : .oh well, hes a regular Wim Wenders . . but still

: : I am not comfortable, at least as a fan, artist wanna-be, and (for lack
: of a better term) "literary analyst" all of his references to his films
: being about dicks and farts. He claims that is all he writes many
: times. And while J&SBSB is a real homosexual-referenced laden
: cliché big ass dick and fart extravaganza . . . i still love it...as a fan of
: VA...i like seeing all the people from all the movies. I get off on it in a
: fan boy sort of way.

: : However, if I could return to what has prompted me to post this
: rather laborious message. I used to, and to some degree still, think
: that Clerks was his best script . . .not “work” mind you as a director,
: but in terms of a story laced with dick and pussy humor that has also
: has a more universal message. By that I mean this:

: : Yes, Amy and Dogma were highly jam packed with meaning that
: Mallrats and J&SBSB lacks. But Clerks still has more of a universal
: appeal that stretches into the genres of film and writing in general.
: What I mean is (I wonder how many are still reading this) the end
: monologues by Randal and Dante drive into the message of free will
: and volition in society. Of an individual being able to create one’s
: own certainty in a highly fragmented and post-modern society while
: still being able to keep one’s frame of reference in today for the most
: part, even if it contains a love of the pastiche’.
: : And while the main characters are still the proverbial white
: Anglo-Saxon male "types" I still think that he manages to provide a
: more meaningful message of the ability for people to transcend the
: realm of the Cartesian subject and still find the means to navigate the
: uncertain realms of the “chaos theory” of reality that even Borges
: would enjoy if not spit on. In other words. the signification that
: Randal provides to Dante is key to the thematic meaning of Clerks.
: : My point is that, I wish, and I know I can shit in my left hand and wish
: with my right to see which hand fills the fastest on this, that at least
: he could return his writing back to those themes. Maybe he does with
: Jersey Girl . . .i don’t know, but the supposed "college" words in
: Clerks as he as called them, are nothing but. They ultimately provide
: a frame of reference ofr the viewers to find meaning in a text that has
: layers of meaning inside of it like a cheap burrito. The thing is, I know
: that he is aware of these factors and has demonstrated the ability as
: a writer and artist to conceive of such matters. therefore he can do it
: again. And to a degree, the Flying Car is a harbinger, if not a
: reference back to what has been done .. In short...what the fuck did I
: just say????

: : -Eso




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