Posted by Raikus at cas02.mkethn01.fl.comcast.net on January 22, 2003 at 14:24:02:
In Reply to: stop making comic book super hero movies posted by Jack Spencer Jr on January 22, 2003 at 13:44:23:
: Anyways, my point is that they should stop making movies out of comic book super heroes. I have a number of reasons to back this up.
: First of is do we really need a movie version of a comic book super hero? Or a movie version of anything for that matter? I am guilty of this myself. I've read several novels and though "Gee a movie based on this would be cool." Why is that? Did I not enjoy the novel? Do we not enjoy the comic book? Why does a book or comic book being turned into a movie feel like it's being legitimized? Is that the word I'm looking for? This is a whole topic in and of itself, I suspect.
Because men are visual animals. We need to see it with more than our minds eye. And on very rare occasions we get to see a glimpse of someone's vision who had more imagination than ourselves with the same material. There is nothing better than a GOOD movie based off something you love. Consequently there is nothing worse than one that is horrid.
: My next couple points all kind of go together. First of is that costumed super heroes are not mainstream enough. It's easy to forget this since super heroes appear to be mainstream in comic books, but keep in mind that they're nich inside a niche market. To the mainstream, these people in silly outfits looks silly or like some kind of BDSM fantasy.
Now this I agree on. It's just a fact that comic characters clothes can never exist in a three dimensional reality. They just aren't feasible with nature's laws (most of their bodies proove this as well). I was at dinner with my fiance a few weeks ago and she asked how Daredevil could have made his costume if he were blind. After trying to make up an explanation along the lines of "well, due to his blindness, other senses of his were expanded and honed. Among these taste, touch, smell, hearing, and... fashion?" But realized that she was right. Where did it come from? Things like this aren't questioned in the comics.
:They don't get it. And while they they may check out well-known names like Superman and Batman (and it's probably the TV shows that made these names well known) lesser known names (like Daredevil) are not as likely to attract a mainstream audience.
This isn't true. Blade proved this wrong. In fact, Blade was probably one of the least known characters in Marvel (along with Cloak & Dagger and MoonKnight) before the movie.
:Which leaves it up to the comic fans to pick up the slack with multiple viewing. This won't happen if the movie sucks. Sucks being a very subjective term. I thought Spider-Man sucked because A) the effects were sub-par
Out of all the problems with Spider-Man, special effects were not one of them... with the exception of Goblin's costume, if counted as a special effect.
:B) there was not nearly enough action because they spent all of that time on the origin story
Which was a redeeming quality.
:C) what was the deal with the web shooters???
Everything's related to sex in modern day cinema. You just need to accept that and move on.
: My C is admittedly a nitpick, but comic fans don't nitpick, do they? I thought so.
Whoa, buddy. Wrrrong there (and yes, the sarcasm was noted).
: But then, I could seeing some comic fans trying to rally other comic fans to support super hero movies that suck because "we have to support them so they will make more super hero movies." This kind of happened in roleplaying circles when the Dungeons & Dragons movie came out. My response to they people, besdies the above where we don't even need the movie in the first place, is that the movie sucks. If we support it, they'll think we want this shit.
As with all things, don't support shit. If shit stinks, avoid it. But if the movie is good, then support it to show them that GOOD movies get rewarded.
: But this is just my own opinion and one not likely to be listened to by anyone who matters because the damn things make money. Which, I guess, is the most important thing.
And just as all of my opinions above are subjective, so are yours. It's all opinion, and you have good points. But don't hate the material, hate the people that take good material and turn it into crap. The Midas's of Manure. You shouldn't say "no" to comic movies because of certain turds that are thrown in the mix. The problem with these movies is the way their brought to the screen. It's that there are people out there that want to include giant spiders and polar bears because they're fearsome predators despite that subject matter. Those are the people that need to get blacklisted.