Posted by Lucifer Lyndon Razoodock at spider-ta016.proxy.aol.com on May 16, 2000 at 12:13:06:
In Reply to: Re: Bartleby's Shaky Analogy... posted by CoachPants on May 16, 2000 at 11:43:06:
: : Even when sent the missive by Azrael, did they not think that damnation was almost certain?
: I don't see why they would.
...except that their re-entry, flat-out contradicts God's Will.
They're angels. They must conceive paradox.
: : Okay, if Bartleby and Loki possessed enough free-will to defy God's Own Will...to reenter Heaven...could they not have wiped their own memories clean...
: Thats really reaching.
Is it?
What, exactly does free-will entail in the "DOGMA"-verse?
Now, while they probably couldn't wipe their very natures from their minds (...that's almost be like the serpent sticking its tail down its throat in or to vomit its own tail back up...), but they still possessed enough will to engage in a heinously-threatening task 'gainst existence.
...and even after Loki warns Bartleby (one angel to another) that his veers dangerously towards "war on God," Bartleby plows along anyway...
...feeling righteous.
: : ...or at the very least, could they not have wrenched off their own wings (or tore them off one another) a lot earlier on to attain humanity (which they seem to envy...deadly a sin as envy is...)?
: They wouldn't be the actual humans created in God's image. I could become a citizen of France, but I'd still be different. Also if they did turn into humans, they would stand good chance of going to hell, which they did not want to do.
True, but then again, if you were to die in France, technically all that's left of you would be indeterminate from a local.
: : Okay, and if they achieved mortality and died, they might've been ripe for the Inferno...but might they not also have stood a chance at re-earning their way back into Heaven as human souls?
: Yeah, but their plan was a lot more fool proof. (or so they thought)
I don't know, cat.
Still sounds like they were two fools for an arrogant sucker (Azrael...not God)...
: contrillo
: witha bitch slap rappin and a cocaine tongue
--tom
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