Posted by Timelord at 66-108-59-244.nyc.rr.com on August 07, 2001 at 22:41:05:
In Reply to: Let's settle down now..........Let's not hate Tim posted by Grendel__ on August 07, 2001 at 21:37:35:
...or perhaps its just plain insulting
: I feel a great sense of disappointment for Mr. Burton. His films have been forever visually stunning. The problem I have is thus: over time his films have been more about the "Tim Burton Look" than the story. Every one liked Beetlejuice and Pee-Wee. ( If you say you didn't then you are either 1: lying or 2: not that aware of the world of films).
Nice, Grendel. If our tastes don't conform to your tastes, we're deceitful or ignorant. Way to win friends and influence people, dude. ***Strike 1.***
We all breathed a sigh of relief when we saw how BATMAN turned out in all its WAGNERIAN ( look it up) glory. Then something happened.
Yeah. Then, you insulted your reader's intelligence--again. After all, Wagner is one of those really obscure cultural touchstones.
***Steeerike 2.***
:I don't know what. Could it have been his famous blow up with Danny Elfman? ( Since reconciled). Could it have been the constant praise of his visual style? More likely. Nightmare Before Christmas was a wonderful project. NOT directed by Burton however. Based on ( much ) earlier source material.
: So you see where I'm going with this.
: I wish he would take a lower budget movie and re-create some of the magic of his earlier work. Maybe that's not possible. Look at Speilberg. Same thing. All style no substance. ( Don't go yelling about Pvt. Ryan and Shindler........many, many hands on those 2 projects.)
: Look at Lucas. It happens. The only one that I can honestly say it DIDN'T happen to is David Lynch. His films are still creepy and disturbing as ever. And yes I did see The Straight Story.
: Hate not the man because he "dissed" Kevin. Hate him because he really cannot direct himself out of traffic any more.
: Rob.
***Strike 3.***
Dude, Hollywood is about 2 things...
1) getting the babe(s) of whatever gender (don't come to beat my ass, GLAAD); and
2) cash. moola. benjamins.
Real art is hard, has a necessarily narrow appeal, and therefore a much lower return in terms of babes/money for time invested.
Burton/Spielberg/Lucas have made a choice, not lost their chops.
***I'm out.***