Posted by Lucifer Lyndon Razoodock at spider-wl041.proxy.aol.com on May 16, 2000 at 01:56:28:
In the "train sequence" of "DOGMA," Bartleby (calling himself Barry) compares break-up with Bethany.
Ironically, Bartleby is in fact, playing a cagey variation on "the pronoun game" by discussing his falling-out with God as "being dumped"...
...as if "being dumped" by one's husband (even over an issue as sensitive as child-bearing) were any comparison to the torment that Bartleby and Loki have endured.
After all, there were other "fish" for Bethany (after all, not every man wants his girlfriend/fiance/wife to bear his child) to get with...whereas Bartleby's snubbing offered no alternative options.
He, essentially, represents a fellow who has been cast-aside by the very Being of existence, itself...
Even if humanity were to "fall-in" for Judgement, those two would still have to huddle (so to speak) outside the Pearly Gates for all eternity, correct?
Now, for a coupla' questions:
--Why weren't these cats drop-shipped to Hell in the first place? It's quite clear that they were potentially hell-bound from the start, were they not?
Did God consider a pre-continental Wisconsin to be a lenient move?
If so, why then did Bartleby & Loki forget this?
Was it because they'd become so desensitized to God's calling, that they lost touch with The Divine?
Even when sent the missive by Azrael, did they not think that damnation was almost certain?
Why wasn't, "What if you're wrong" rephrased/rethought as "Considering how God is, you're most likely wrong!"?
...one last question...
--After the "train sequence," Bartleby bemoans that humans possess "free-will" which angels lack.
Within the context used, "free will" seems to be the choice as to whether or not one is privvy to God's existence...hence, banished-angels suffer the worst, because they can not forget God or Heaven...
Okay, if Bartleby and Loki possessed enough free-will to defy God's Own Will...to reenter Heaven...could they not have wiped their own memories clean...
...or at the very least, could they not have wrenched off their own wings (or tore them off one another) a lot earlier on to attain humanity (which they seem to envy...deadly a sin as envy is...)?
Okay, and if they achieved mortality and died, they might've been ripe for the Inferno...but might they not also have stood a chance at re-earning their way back into Heaven as human souls?
Hm....Hr......
--tom
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